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Kylie: Hello and welcome to today's show. Today you are in for a real treat. In other episodes, I mentioned that there are many ways you can work to heal your emotional scars. It's a matter of finding the one or ones that work for you. One that has been working wonders for me is the emotional Freedom Technique or EFT. And that is why I am so excited to introduce you to my guest, Karen Rieslow from Karen Louise coaching. Karen is an EFT practitioner, certified life coach, mom of two and my personal EFT practitioner, coach and friend.

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 Kylie: Karen, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here and for being my willing victim as my first guest.

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Karen Risløw: I'm so excited to be on your podcast. Thank you so much for asking me. I'm very flattered. Yes.

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Kylie: And I'm so sorry. Big thing. So I just want to say a little disclaimer here. I have given Karen full permission to talk about my sessions with her. Of course, not all the really in-depth details, but she's a professional so she knows and so she will talk about some of my sessions doing the emotional technique, Freedom Technique today EFT because I think it's important for the audience to know what it's actually like and the benefits that it can bring.

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 Kylie: But okay, before we get into that, my very first question, I'm going to try asking a nice fun question to do a little icebreaker for Karen and I. What is the most ridiculous thing you have ever said as a mom?

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Karen Risløw: What is the most ridiculous thing I've ever said as a mom? Jesus, every day I say ridiculous stuff.

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 Kylie: Isn't it crazy?

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Karen Risløw: Yeah. The things that come out my mouth but I think can I give you an example of the most ridiculous thing I've done?

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Kylie: Yeah, of course.

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Karen Risløw: It came up as a Facebook memory actually the other day. And it was from when my daughter Ella was a baby. And there's this picture of her you just want 5 minutes peace sometimes and what I did, I gave her the packet of Disposable nappy wipes and I let her sit there and take every single one out just for 5 minutes piece. And the picture that came on face because her surrounded, she had them on her head, they were all over the floor. I mean it was just when she could sit by herself and I thought the thing that the lengths will go to just for 5 minutes piece as a mum.

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 Karen Risløw: And then I had to obviously put them back in the packet. But yeah, it didn't matter. No, it didn't matter. But I had 5 minutes of peace and quiet. She was happy. Maybe she was learning some motor skills, removing them from the packet, 

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 Kylie: Toss in the good mom stuff in there for sure.

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 Karen Risløw: Win-win.

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 Kylie: Exactly. Oh my God, I do love that by the way. That is brilliant. Yeah. Okay, so the reason why everyone is here of course is to listen to the two of us chat to each other and to learn about emotional freedom technique. So what is it? What is EFT?

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 Karen Risløw: EFT Emotional Freedom Technique, also known as tapping. Maybe a lot of people will know of it as tapping. It's a combination of tapping on acupressure points on the face and the body in combination with using keywords and phrases to help you release trapped emotion within the body. I mean, that's the simplest explanation. We have emotions that we have stored within our body that are connected to previous memories, experiences and events.

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 Karen Risløw: And EFT helps you release those trapped emotions. Perhaps those emotions are showing up in your life in unexpected ways. I personally have worked with clients on fears and phobias, on stress, anxiety, helping to release negative beliefs they have about themselves. It's just a great way of helping you release unhelpful emotions.

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 Kylie: And I just want to say right there, because you said stress and anxiety and so many other things, doing EFT has made such a significant difference in my life and then also around anxiety. I mean, we'll probably get into that anyway in the show, but anxiety around losing my kids, my miscarriages, all of that stuff, we have worked on that together.

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Karen Risløw: I think with you. I've known you for some time. And what happens is when we have overwhelming emotions like anxiety and stress, sometimes we can't see the wood through the trees. And what happens with EFT is that we can dial down the anxiety so you can start to see things clearly. And one of the sessions that we worked on when your anxiety was very strong around your daughter going to a birthday party, we worked on with EFT, we start on the top.

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 Karen Risløw: Where are we now? Let's calm down where you are now. And once we could clear that anxiety of that immediate anxiety, we could work out what was behind that anxiety, what was behind those emotions you were having. Because more often than not, it's not about what's in the moment, it's actually triggering something from your past, a past memory or experience or event that you haven't processed, which is keep running on a loop and will pop up and be triggered by other things like your daughter going to a party. Which once you can see that with clearer vision and without the cloud of that immediate anxiety, you know, that maybe there is something else responsible for that emotion in that moment.

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Kylie: Exactly. And just for clarity here, when you talk about that, my anxiety was around her going to the birthday party. But as we dug deeper, we realized it came up that it was the time I lost her when she was two years old, and she went missing for 10 minutes, and I went into total panic mode. And the layer behind that was from having my five miscarriages and constantly losing babies one after another that I had yet to process.

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Kylie: So it was all connected.

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Karen Risløw: And they are very traumatic experiences that you hadn't been able to process. They were still kind of a charge within your body. Talk therapy is one thing, but sometimes we need to understand that these things get stuck in our body. These emotions get stuck in our body, and it affects our nervous system. And we need to understand that if we don't process emotions, they don't go anywhere. You don't just kind of okay, just get over it.

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Karen Risløw: They stay within you. Well, that's my belief. They stay within you and helps you release them. So it's such a powerful modality. It just helps you gain clarity and gain some balance within yourself.

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Kylie: The reason why I want to have you on the show, too, is because you know this, and I have personally experienced the benefits of it, and it is just yeah, it's amazing stuff. It really is.

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Karen Risløw: And me too. I love it. I love the fact that I have a tool that, as an EFT practitioner, I understand the benefits of working one to one with an EFT practitioner. The big stuff, the big traumas, the big the big anxieties. But I also have a tool I can give to my clients that they can use at home that if you do feel the anxiety is building up, the morning you're trying to get the kids ready, you're feeling like, oh, God. Oh, my God. You can take a step away. You can go in the bathroom, and you can tap round how you're feeling in that moment to lessen your anxiety or lessen the stress or say you're pissed off because they're not listening to you.

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Karen Risløw: Deep down, you're not actually probably pissed off. They're not listening to you. There's a deeper wound within you that's being triggered. But if you can go into the bathroom, say, oh, my God, they're not listening to me, and you can tap round the points and let go of that emotional charge in the moment, then you can show up in a better way. Your kids are calmer because, let's be honest, our kids are a reflection of us and how we show up.

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Karen Risløw: EFT is that tool that you can use on yourself, and that's like gold, I think, and everyone could benefit from that. Yeah.

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Kylie: And that is a huge benefit of EFT. Not only does it help lower your anxiety, and your stress level, that overwhelm. Especially as a mom, we all know that overwhelm really well. You can do it at home. Like, once you understand the techniques and you have guidance from someone like Karen, who's an EFT practitioner, from someone like you, you can go into your bathroom and you can tap on those points to help release that stress, that overwhelm.

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Kylie: It's just a matter of like a minute or two.

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Karen Risløw: And I think something to with EFT, it's about when you feel the feelings. So when you feel that anxious feeling in your tummy, it's about noticing what's going on in your body and honouring your body. Like, yeah, I do have a knot in my stomach, or yeah, I feel this anger brewing up within me, my head's about to explode. Tap on those feelings because what you're releasing is the feeling and letting that go so that you can come back into the front part of your brain, the logical because when you're in anxiety and stress, you're not thinking straight. So you're tapping to let go of the emotional charge and the feelings, the physical manifestation, so that you can go back into your logical brain and you can be like, yeah, so what? They're not going at the pace I want them to. They're not brushing their teeth and they're at the door.

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Karen Risløw: It's okay, let go of it.

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Kylie: Imagine that. See, it does… you can, you can let go of it.

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Karen Risløw: That's the beauty of it. And it's just why live in that state of stress if you can have a simple tool to dial it down? I think we live in unfortunately, we live in a world that kind of promotes that constant hustle, be busy, do all the things, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's overwhelming for us. So to be able to just take a step back and be able to give to yourself, to calm yourself down. And it's an amazing tool for that.

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Karen Risløw: And if I can add that, it's actually amazing tool to teach your children. If we can teach our kids from a young age to have emotions and feel the emotions, but know that they can also work to let go of.

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 Kylie: The emotions, the emotion doesn't define them.

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Karen Risløw: No, because most of us have grown up, it's not been okay to show emotion. A big thing about EFT as well is about accepting where you are, accepting that you're having these feelings. Because if you don't accept where you are and you don't accept how you feel, you're not going to let it go. And that's a big thing I say with my clients, because EFT, the majority of it is that you do speak the negative because that's really how you feel.

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Karen Risløw: So if you are going back to the mum example, if you're like, for fuck's sake. My kids, they never clean up, they never listen to me. And you're angry and it's in there and it's about acknowledging how you feel to be able to let it go.

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Kylie: Yeah. And like you said, so you often in EFT or not often, you always start with that negative feeling because that is how you are feeling in the moment.

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Karen Risløw: Yeah. I mean, I've heard with the clients I've worked with, some people believe really shitty things about themselves, and they speak really shitty to themselves. And it's about acknowledging that you do do that to let it go, because you're acknowledging you speak that way to let it go, to start to love yourself, so that you start to take better care of yourself.

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Kylie: When you take better care of yourself, you can also take better care of your kids, and it makes your life easier. And I've said it before, in the shows, as moms, we need that. We have a thousand things happening.

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Karen Risløw: We can let go of the struggle. We don't have to keep beating ourselves up. We are all doing the very best we can.

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Kylie: Yeah, I love it. And I just want to point out too, like, EFT is so effective that studies have shown its benefits for people suffering from PTSD anxiety. It's very complementary to standard medical treatments. It's not a replacement, but complementary to so it can be just a powerful, powerful tool that you can just do at home. Once you have the techniques and you understand it, and you're getting the proper coaching and support from a practitioner, it can bring you so many benefits.

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Karen Risløw: It's such a simple technique, and that's why I love it. It's not to take away from like, going to a practitioner is so beneficial because for those bigger things, it's so powerful to have someone hold space for you and guide you, hear your words. Because when you're working on yourself with bigger things, your brain will work like billio to get you to do something else, because they don't want you to keep the focus on change.

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Karen Risløw: So if you're at home and there's a big thing you want to work on, more often than not, your brain will say, oh, shouldn't we put the washing out? Or, oh, shouldn't we start dinner? The brain is fighting to keep you in your safe zone, even if that safe zone is totally unhelpful. So working with a practitioner, there is that benefit that they can kind of hold you accountable and kind of help you hold space for you to release those big emotions. Because sometimes we've had sessions, if I may share, where you have had huge emotional releases.

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Karen Risløw: And that kind of goes back to something we spoke about before. Like, some people find it very difficult to show emotions, but there is a lot of power in letting your emotions be witnessed.

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Kylie: Thank you for pointing that out. It is a powerful feeling, and I think it helps us to be vulnerable and to create a connection back to ourselves. So, Karen, why did you become an EFT practitioner? And certified life coach.

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Karen Risløw: Well, my previous career was as a beauty therapist or an esthetician, and I did that for 20 years, and I absolutely loved that. For the last half of my beauty therapy journey, I was a specialist waxing therapist and a specialist in Brazilian waxing. So I would work with women quite intimately, as it were. Part of that about getting your client comfortable enough to remove half their clothes in front of you, is about getting to know people, and asking the right questions.

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Karen Risløw: And what I found was that half of my clients were saying to me, it's like I'm having a coaching session with you. It's like you're like my therapist. And what I had noticed was a lot of these women were coming to me with stories of that. They felt stark, they felt unfulfilled, they hated their career, they were unhappy in their relationship, and obviously I'm ripping out their pubic hair. But what I was also giving them.

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Kylie: I love how you describe it, sorry, I just love it. Every time I talk to you, how you describe it.

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Karen Risløw: It's so blasé for me because I must have waxed over 10,000 women's hoohas. But for me, what I noticed, I was giving them that space to be able to talk about themselves, and they were talking about themselves. There was no judgment from me. I just listened and I asked questions. And what I started to realize was that that was only part of the puzzle for them because I wanted to help them in, in a different way.

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Karen Risløw: And coaching had kind of been in my side view for a while. And in 2019, I realized actually, although I had a successful waxing business, I had a salon, I had seven amazing beauty therapists working for me. We were packed out, fully booked. I was, like, living the life, but I was deeply unhappy myself, and I knew I was unfulfilled in that job. So I kind of took the leap of faith to change career into coaching.

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Karen Risløw: And it all kind of coincided with the pandemic. And what happened was I started my life coaching certification, and six months later, my beauty business was shut down due to bankruptcy, due to the effect of the pandemic and the lockdowns and the slowing down in business. And my God, I was really tested, changing career, but losing the stability of the business. I was leaving. It was a really testing time, but it kind of forced me to go on my own, such a huge personal development journey myself.

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Karen Risløw: So I did the coaching. I became certified. But what I didn't there were still a lot of missing pieces for me in my puzzle. And through destiny, I was led to EFT, to tapping, and I qualified. Once I started on that journey and I realized the power of what EFT could do, coaching for me was only a part of the puzzle. I was coaching women, and they were coming to me, and we were figuring out what their beliefs were that were holding them back.

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Karen Risløw: I had no tool to help them to release those negative beliefs. And then EFT came into my world, and then I realized, this is the missing piece. I can help them get unstuck by releasing those trapped emotions, those negative stories, those limiting beliefs. So I believe that coaching and EFT go so well together because we can get the clarity, we can figure out what's keeping you stuck, and we can get you unstuck, and then we can go back to coaching and get you to where you want to be.

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Kylie: And you mentioned, I mean, you're a mom of two and your kids aren't very old. They're also young, like my kids, not as young as my kids, but still, how did you manage to do such a career change and take on a whole new version of yourself while also being a mom?

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Karen Risløw: Society has an opinion of what you should be doing.

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Kylie: Absolutely.

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Karen Risløw: Well fuck society, because I'm not going to sit in the old people's home thinking, god, I wish I'd work more. What I want is to raise children that when they leave home, they want to come back and visit me. They're not like, oh, fuck, no, I don't want to go and see mom. She's just a nag or she's never had time for me or all those things. So I am working to create a life where I can be home with my kids when they come home from school.

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Karen Risløw: So I work hard in the mornings when they're at school. When they come home, we sit together, we eat, and then maybe I go back to my office while they're doing their homework. But I'm in the house. And the days that I do have a long day, I know that I'm very fortunate. I have amazing in-laws that have them and take them to their house, and I can have that little bit of a longer work day at the moment. I have a really good balance, and I'm happy with the balance I have.

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Karen Risløw: And I think that's about understanding what's important to you. What's important to me is that I get to spend time with my kids.

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Kylie: As women, we are so busy sometimes trying to please society or please everyone else around us that we forget to look at what we actually value.

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Karen Risløw: I'll be honest, I think a lot of the work I've done has helped me let go of the influences of society and what should be done. I think anything is possible for you. You can have more than people say you can have.

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Kylie: Yeah, you have to just give yourself the opportunity for it. Uncover those traumas, uncover the stories, what's behind the stories. You're telling yourself all of those things.

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Karen Risløw: Be open to setting some goals for yourself, but then don't accept second best because you can have more. You can have better. You can do that for yourself. And if you feel into that, there's resistance to change. And what's the story behind that resistance? Yeah.

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Kylie: Well, you can tap on that resistance too, right? I'm open to feeling differently. And if we circle back around to EFT, that is really the benefits that it can bring. When you feel something like that, that resistance or that overwhelm, things are too much. Tapping EFT is a fantastic way to help you feel into that and help you become aware of the fact that you can feel another way, that you're open to feeling another way.

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Kylie: Actually, can you give an example of what it would be like? What would a tapping session be like for a mom who feels overwhelmed? For example.

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Karen Risløw: If you're feeling overwhelmed, just tap on the overwhelm. So the main points are it's tapping on the top of the head, tapping on the inside of the eyebrow, and then the outside of the eye, under the eye, under the nose, on the chin, collarbones, and under the arms. And just as you tap, feel that overwhelm. Identify, get curious. Where do I feel that overwhelm? You can just begin with this overwhelm and go through the points. This overwhelm I feel in my body, I feel it in my stomach.

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Karen Risløw: It's like a stone or it's like a clenching feeling. What you want to do is you really want to focus on feel that feeling.

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Kylie: To let it give it space.

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Karen Risløw: Yeah, give it space and give it a voice. And as you tap, maybe you start to break down. What is that overwhelm? What is it? Is it there's too much to do. I don't know where to start. Speak those words that are going through your mind. Give them a voice, let them be heard. And what will happen is the power that those words hold that are keeping you in overwhelm, they will lose their power. So focus in on those.

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Karen Risløw: Focus in on the overwhelm, tap through the points and keep going until you start to feel it getting less. And what might happen, which usually happens in EFT, is it's not overwhelmed. That's the problem. There's something underneath it. And your words will start to change as you start to release the first layer, and then you'll get down to the second layer. It's such a simple tool to get out of those overwhelming reactive emotions.

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Kylie: So you can use EFT, for example, in your bathroom to reduce that overwhelm. But if you take the time to go deeper as to why that overwhelm was there in the first place, you'll realize that there's much more to it than that one moment.

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Karen Risløw: And then maybe that's when you will contact a practitioner.

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Kylie: Exactly.

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Karen Risløw: Yeah, because it's good to have that support with working through those deeper, deeper, maybe traumatic events that you've experienced. We live in a society that just wants to sweep things under the carpet, unfortunately. And I think we're also brought up to believe that it's painful to see it, to feel these things and emotions should be avoided at all costs. But actually what I've witnessed and what I've tried to, especially with my youngest, because unfortunately, I didn't have this knowledge when my oldest was at this point.

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Karen Risløw: But if my youngest if she's upset, I don't say, oh, come on, you're okay. I let her be upset. I let her work her way through those tears because if it takes 5 minutes, it takes 5 minutes. I just sit. If she wants me to, I hug her. If not, I just sit and hold her hand.

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Kylie: You're there for her. You're creating that space for her and for her emotions. And, I mean, it's 5 minutes now versus five years when she's older and needs to go through therapy.

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Karen Risløw: With my eldest, he's a preteen now, and I'm using the techniques with him, but obviously it's in a different way the older they get. But I'm trying to teach him that emotions are okay. I know as a mum in the past, I have been like, oh, my God, stop crying. Like, being really uncomfortable. But I've worked my way to the point where I can be comfortable because I think this is something as well.

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Karen Risløw: We will get triggered by our children's emotions. The most valuable thing you can do for your kids is to work out what your triggers are and let go of your triggers with EFT or something similar so that then you're not triggered by your children.

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Kylie: Yeah, it's funny, I talked about this not too long ago in one of my shows, how to rein it in, basically after losing your shit. And when you get angry at someone else, it is not their fault that they triggered you. There's something behind your trigger or something behind your reaction story that's triggered you. And it's that that you can work on with EFT.

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Karen Risløw: The key is they didn't trigger you. You were triggered. A little example, my kids are not so clever to put away their shoes when they come in and what. Mom knows that feeling and it pisses me off. And it pisses me off, and it pisses me off, too, in the end. I'm like so I thought that was a simple thing that I worked on during my training. Like, okay, even though the kids don't put their I tapped through that, and what became clear to me was it wasn't the shoes that were bothering me.

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Karen Risløw: It was that I felt that no one was listening to me. And then once I could see that from a much calmer place, instead of going from Naught to Ten, can you not put your shoes away? I was more like, It would really help me if you could put your shoes away. And I said it in a really nice, calm way, and it got better because I wasn't unproductively shouting at them. I was asking them in a calm way. I took away the charge of what was under the charge, which was you're not listening to me.

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Kylie: Yeah, and that's it. That charge, right. That thing that triggers you that frustration. It is so much more than just the shoes.

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Karen Risløw: Totally. We get consumed by all the little things, and they all add up, and then we beat ourselves up. I'm a bad mom. I shout at my kids, blah, blah, blah. Any stick to beat ourselves with.

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Kylie: Yeah, imagine that.

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Karen Risløw: But EFT gives you that ability to see the stick you're beating yourself with and to let the stick go so that you start to talk to yourself in a better way. You start to accept yourself. I am okay. I'm not perfect. I don't want to be perfect.

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Kylie: That's a heavy thing to have to maintain perfection. As a recovering perfectionist, I can say.

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Karen Risløw: Yeah, well, if you were perfect, where do you go from there? There's no joy in the journey of being perfect.

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Kylie: Exactly.

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Karen Risløw: And every mistake we make is a perfect way to learn, a perfect way to grow and develop. And what a gift that we can grow and develop. And in our 40s, we can still do that. We still have the ability to learn new things and to grow and to develop. I was thinking earlier, like, I love my kids, and they are such a huge part of my life, but in a few years, they will grow up and they will leave me, not leave me like, oh, my God, they will have their own lives.

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Karen Risløw: And of course I want them to come back and love visiting me, but I also have to continue to live my life and to know what what I enjoy to do and show up for myself. And for a long time, I didn't. Yeah. The first few years of both my kids lives, they were my utter life. But now I've start to realize that actually it is okay to have my own life, to do the things I love, because actually, the ripple effect of me taking care of myself is enormous for my kids.

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Karen Risløw: I think part of that is part of healing yourself and learning to love yourself and respect yourself and creating boundaries and dropping some of those beliefs we hold about ourselves.

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Kylie: And that's why I love EFT. I mean, it helps so much with that healing and bringing you to a point where you realize, wow, this is what's underneath my trigger.

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Karen Risløw: I would say as well, and I don't know if you would agree, but from doing the work. EFT coaching and all the other modalities is that it gives you the ability to hear your own voice away from all the destructive thoughts or distractions of the outside world. It gives you that inner confidence to listen to yourself, because 100 times out of 100, you are right for yourself. The answers you hold are the correct answers for you.

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Karen Risløw: And it's a journey. I think healing isn't a destination, it is a journey. And there is such power in starting that journey. I know it can be scary if you're stuck in cycles of anxiety or stress or overwhelm self sabotage, procrastination what will come up. But it is worth it. It is worth it. And the magic that can happen along the way, it is amazing.

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Kylie: Yeah. You get to know yourself better, who you are, what you love. I just want to thank you so much for being on the show. I think this is really powerful stuff. You know, I love EFT and if anyone, no one's realized yet, I love EFT. It is really a phenomenal yes, I love Karen and thank you so much. I really appreciate you being willing to be on the show and be my first victim of an interview. I think we did fantastic. So feel free to leave reviews for us. It's more than welcome.

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Kylie: Where can we find you?

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Karen Risløw: I'm on most of the social media channels, so on Instagram, I'm Karen Louise Risløw. Facebook. I'm Karen Louise. No, I'm not. I'm Karen Risløw, EFT practitioner. And yeah, I have a website, karenlouisecoaching.net. I'm happy to if you want to try EFT, drop me a message on Instagram and I'm happy to give away or gift some free 30-minutes sessions so people can have a real taste of what EFT is. Because I think until you try it, you don't really understand the potential of it.

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Kylie: Yeah. And the fact that you're willing to gift the 30-minute sessions because I think it's so much more powerful when you are being guided by a practitioner. You can go on YouTube, you can do all of those things great. But being guided by a practitioner, it's what we talked about earlier. It's being witnessed by someone else. It's being actually guided based on what you need and your healing process. And it makes such a significant difference.

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Karen Risløw: If I can just add as mums, I don't think we are witnessed as much as we should be. We don't take the time to acknowledge ourselves and have someone else acknowledge us.

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Kylie: Yeah, true. Thank you so much for being on the show. I will put all the links to get connected with Karen. I'll put that in the show description. I hope you now all love EFT as much as I do. Remember to share this show with other moms who are in need of more. Thank you for spending your time with us today and have a wonderful day.